Time For A New Beginning
Hi folks, Cameron from TPN here with a sad announcement. Scott and Michael will no longer be hosting TPN’s Digital Photography Show. I’d like to thank them for all of their terrific work on TPN over the last couple of years and wish them both the best for the future. I’m currently auditioning for new hosts for The Digital Photography Show so - if you think you can fill their ample shoes, please drop me a line and let me know what you think why YOU are the best person (or team) to take over one of the world’s most successful podcasts! This could be your chance to make a worldwide name for yourself as someone who is passionate about digital photography. If you want to audition, please email me an mp3 file with your audition. Make it less than 5 minutes long and smaller than 5MB. Good luck!
October 13th, 2008 at 1:32 am
Very sorry to hear that - they were great hosts
October 13th, 2008 at 8:32 am
what happened to show #98???
October 13th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Can’t say I am surprised with the delays between shows and the spam/hacking issues that have been going on in recent months. To that end, I am sure things have been addressed but perhaps it might be useful to let potential podcasters know what the expectations are for delivery and if there is any compensation other than “publicity”.
October 13th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
WTF happened?
October 13th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Cameron,
What a bummer to hear Scout and Michael are leaving. I hear there is an episode 98 where the Dynamic Duo (Scott & Michael) sign-off? Please consider making Episode 98 available for all of us listeners!
-Harve-
To Scott & Michael:
“Happy Trails” amigos! Thanks for all your time and hardwork you put into the show. You will be missed.
October 14th, 2008 at 3:58 am
what happened to show 98?
October 14th, 2008 at 4:40 am
Time for show 98
Please don’t be petty about this.
You have a good network and will find a good replacement.
October 14th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Sorry folks, there isn’t a show 98. The guys did record something but it didn’t meet my quality standards.
October 14th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Well pettiness doesn’t meat my quality standards,I will no longer be listening to shows on The Podcast Network.
October 14th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Sorry, pettiness doesn’t meet my quality standards, I wont be listening to any more TPN podcasts.
October 14th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Why don’t we just boycott TPN. I don’t understand why this has to be a problem.
October 15th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Cameron,
I don’t know you, and I don’t know the previous hosts (listened but not participated in anything). One thing I do know . . . when a show like this is out there for as long as this one has, the fans have as much right to decide on the quality of a given show as you do.
Whatever the reason for the split, consider this event impacts not just you or the previous hosts; consider it impacts the fans as well.
I can’t imagine a quality issue that would trump the right of the fans/listeners to hear, if they so choose, the farewell episode.
Personally, I would probably skip it, but then I don’t have the emotional tie-in many fans seems to have. If you want us, me at least, to believe this show if for the fans, set aside whatever high standards you claim for the podcast, and acknowledge the human side of the equation.
Thank you,
ejd
October 15th, 2008 at 1:10 am
Forgot to add . . . personally, I look forward to a “tighter”, more focused show. I don’t own an iPod, so I burn shows onto CDs for my commute. Shows occasionally ran past 80 minutes mainly because of excessive personal banter. I’m all for some banter to make the show more casual, but truthfully, there often was too much.
The show was best when discussion (duh!) photography related topics, and I would find myself skipping through lengthy uninteresting ramblings to get to the “good stuff”.
This should not be taken as a personal slam; the show was what it was, and overall it was informative. Just saying my personal preference would be for a more scripted and controlled flow.
Thanks,
ejd
October 15th, 2008 at 3:34 am
Any chance of a last post on this site? Don’t leave us hanging guys. Not knowing is making me imagine the worst. Please. We need closure.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:53 am
I am dismayed that show 98 isn’t being aired.
It would nice to have closure from Scott and Michael and to transition to the new hosts. This abrupt end leaves a a bad taste of something ugly behind the scenes. Can’t the podcasting world be nicer than other ones? Anyway, I have loved the show from the beginning, but if this is the way things happen at this network, I won’t tune in any longer.
October 15th, 2008 at 5:59 am
Say it ain’t so!!
October 15th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Very Very sorry to hear this, I guess I have found these podcasts bit too late ;/
October 15th, 2008 at 10:23 am
It’s so sad your censoring us.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Quatlity standards? Are ya kidding me? The show never had any! We all know that and that’s why everyone enjoyed the show so much. It was like everyone just hanging out and talking about photography. Not trying to be political, but Scott & Michael are the “Joe Six-packs” of the Digital Photography Talk Show. I mean how funny was it when FedEx rang the doorbell at Scott’s house during the show! But you know what, they sure knew how to interview, they asked the questions I wanted to know about a certain guest or product.
Hell, even Don Imus was allowed to say farewell! If there were some serious technical issues that’s one thing, but to dismiss show 98 on “quality standards”, well…
’nuff said.
October 15th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Sorry to say, You are not meeting our quality standards either!
That is truly sad in a community that is unusually friendly.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Didn’t meet your quality standards? While I find that hard to believe, I assume you informed Scott and Michael about the quality being sub par and ask them to reedit or redo the episode? I would have been very interested to listen to your new digital photography show, but your lack of professionalism and petty attitude make that very unlikely.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:28 am
I find it hard to believe that after 97 shows, the last one suddenly doesn’t meet your quality standards.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:03 am
Didn’t meet your quality standards? After airing the shows where Scott sounded like he was at the bottom of a well?? Yeah, and I’m the Easter Bunny…
October 16th, 2008 at 6:15 am
Unsubscribed…
October 16th, 2008 at 6:26 am
Gee, I was looking forward to hearing Scott drool over the new canon 50D and 5D. I’ve been listening for over a year now and will miss them.
October 16th, 2008 at 8:48 am
I’m sure we’d all like to hear a statement as to what happened… Both sides of the story.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
That is pretty petty Cameron, well you don’t meet our standards….good bye
October 17th, 2008 at 12:46 am
Nonsense. But it is your decision.
October 17th, 2008 at 2:24 am
I’m sure some audio quality issues won’t bother people too much. It’d be nice to hear the final episode of Digiphoto.
October 17th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
I thought that the guys did a great job. They will be sadly missed, and any new hosts are going to take a while just to get in the swing of things let alone reach the standards that the listeners have come to expect from the well balanced team.
I agree that it would be good to hear them sign off, but I guess they said something contraversial?????
October 18th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Ouch Cameron, no need for been so petty about this
October 18th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Wow. I don’t know what I’ve ever done to you guys to deserve so much abuse. The simple fact is that Scott and Michael had a contract with TPN and chose to break the terms of it. If you have issues with that, take it up with them. It wasn’t my decision, it was theirs. Despite their lack of regular programming lately, I’ve kept the show going. When they broke the contract, they lost the rights to TPN’s platform. It’s pretty simple. If you think that’s unfair, then that’s your right I guess. If you think that deserves abuse, then go for it.
October 18th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
fair enough Cameron
October 21st, 2008 at 3:39 pm
To Cameron,
Thank you for the platform that you have provided for these shows.
I have listened to all of them and they were all very well done, Michael and Scott are going to be hard to replace I do hope you find someone soon. Also in all fairness I`d like to think that there last show would have been good. All things do move on.
Eric
Thank you Cameron, Michael And Scott
October 21st, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Scott and Michael had a show to do, a show with sponsors and they haven’t done anything in the past few months. Cameron is perfectly justified in cutting them off.
October 21st, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Cameron
If the reasons for not airing the last episode were purely contractual - then why didn’t you say so in the first place.. It would have been as good a reason as any for not airing,. To just say it didn’t meet quality standards, was, quite frankly asking for comment from listeners as it sounded like a lame excuse.
I would have liked to hear them sign off - and surely if there was something controversial in their comments, you could have edited it…
Hey ho……. onwards and upwards…….
October 22nd, 2008 at 2:21 am
Cameron-you’re missing the point. The DPS show was so bad it was good and that it the point I believe got by you. The show was at times a train wreck. Scott attempts a adding humor always went flat. Scott’s untrained interview process was the pits. Michael’s shyness on-air was painful. They were lovable guys nonetheless.
The show fell apart during your networks DDos attack or whatever you decided to tell us. You talked around that like we were two year olds and didn’t need to understand what was really wrong. I believe if you Cameron were forthright and honest the podcast would have survived and retained the relationship with the sponsors. So tell me how the TPN accommodated TDPS during your server attacks? A contract must show where you have to provide some stability as well, right?
The decision to part ways will probably result in a lose-lose for all parties involved. Excellent photography podcasts already exist with info about the latest info on the newest released products. The beauty of Scott and Michael was that the were just enthusiastic guys who talked about something they had a common interest in. They made some contacts along the way and it was that journey that made it interesting. Yes, the show was truly painful to listen to and yet I am sure that bringing them back would be a brilliant move, Cameron. Just my opinion. A lot of fans of the show are showing their displeasure of this move to cancel this show. It will stand to reason that you will not get the loyal fans back with new replacements. Get S & M on the phone and come to an agreement.
It’s your network though.
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Cameron,
I am not here to second-guess your business decisions, because you are justified in running your business model however you like. So, please take what I say now in the kindest of terms and not consider it abuse.
When the decision was made to part ways, for whatever reason, from looking at the show notes from over on Scott’s blog, it appears they did try to end things amicably on their end. From the TPN side, here is what viewers see:
Two talented podcasters produce 97 shows for you
When the split happens, they compile a 98th show to “Say Goodbye”.
It airs very briefly then is pulled without warning or any note as to what happened.
All comments are now moderated.
Long delays before postings
The site gown down or offline for several days
The last post seen before the site going offline is a statement from you that the show lacked “quality standards”.
From the uneducated observer, it would seem things in fact did not end as amicably as initial statements would have indicated. Clearly, one side was upset with the other. Which side decided to break contract is neither here nor there, and I can understand some hesitance at publishing a podcast after a break in relations happens because, after all, you owe them nothing.
But think of the downsides. As a result of your reluctance to air the last episode on the basis of “quality standards”, and then to take the page offline for a period of time, who knows how many RSS readers you’ve lost. Who knows how many TDPS listeners who didn’t know to go to Scott’s blog thought that things just ended? Who knows how many potential listeners to any replacement series you’ve lost. I am quite certain though that the other podcasters on your network have stood up and taken notice of what happens when people move on. That may put a bitter taste in their mouths too. For that matter, in this process you may have even lost any interest from someone in the audience who may have been interested in taking over the reins after seeing the rather cold approach you took to terminating the show.
But, as you said, the contract is broken, and you have every right to adhere to your business model. People like closure. People like to know at least a little bit of the why, when, and how info. Your initial post was well-worded and at least suggested an amicable parting of the ways, but the successive “recourse” you took, both in refusal to publish the last show or to offer any form of explanation has alienated many. If adherence to your business model is worth alienating that large a crowd, then more power to you.
My suspicion though is that TPN will not be the same hereafter.
Please rescind my audition tape for the host position of TDPS - I don’t think I want my name associated with that anymore given the baggage that will now always be associated given the handling here. Thanks.
Kind regards,
Jason Anderson
October 22nd, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Even if they did break your contract, you could have taken the high road and aired the last episode anyway. Instead you LIED about the reason for not airing the last episode. Obviously, you have zero respect for the community. Without the community your Pod cast network is meaningless. I will be following Scott and Michael to their next show and will not have anything to do with any other shows on this network.
October 23rd, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Cameron,
I didn’t hear any abuse. We as listeners are just a little upset and have questions. Months back you had issues and instead of dumping the show we hung in there. We did because we liked your host. Without them you don’t have a show.
I for one will not listen to any of your podcasts. We have choices just like you do. It was your choice to dump Michael and Scott. It is my choice to replace your show on my iPod. You should let us hear show #98!
All the best,
Sean
October 23rd, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Cameron,
At first you said that the last episode wasn’t up to your ‘quality standards,’ but now you are saying that the guys lost the ‘rights to TPN’s platform’ because they broke the contract. I don’t mean to rush to conclusions, but it seems that you are not completely forth coming here.
Honestly, from reading your explanations and responses above, it seems like there was some kind of fall out between your self and the guys. It appears that (rightly or not) you decided to pull the plug on the show and now rather that being up front about it, you tried to blow us off with smoke. I don’t think that many of the community/forum members here think for a second that you pulled the last show due to ‘quality’ issues. I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but this smacks of a pissing contest. If that’s the case, even the winner loses.
Even if you are justified in pulling the plug on Scott and Michael, you owe it to us, the fans and community that supports you, to give it to us straight.
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Hi Cameron , it seems to be the same with the Radio networks, when contracts finish , no chance is given for departing hosts to say goodbye to their loyal listeners
October 26th, 2008 at 1:14 am
Wow, this is sad to hear. I was a semi-regular listener, even though I’m part of a ‘competing’ show (This Week in Photography) and I hate to see the photographic community lose a good resource (there’s plenty of room for several shows in this space). Best of luck to Scott and Michael.
-ron (@ronbrinkmann)
October 28th, 2008 at 7:41 am
Cameron,
All you needed to do was give the actual reason for withholding the last episode from the start. Instead, you, I assume, didn’t want to look like “the jerk” and used a quality issue as the excuse.
Honestly, I hold no ill will for a company that decides to follow through on a contract breach or break. It is your right as the parent company and as it was their decision to have broken the contract if that is how it came about. After reading Scott’s blog, that is apparently the sum of it.
You are getting the ‘abuse’, because you weren’t honest with your customers. By doing so, you went beyond alienating the listeners of this particular show, but most likely also lost listeners of other TPN programming. Think about it; how many customers stick around after being, for all intense and purposes, lied to?
October 29th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Cameron you have got to be joking. Their show was down for, what was it, maybe weeks, because of problems on your end. I’m willing to bet that if you really want to get into “contract” issues that they would have just as much beef with you. You have verified your pettiness by refusing to air the last show, first hiding behind your “standards” reason and now being mad because of a contract dispute.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:25 am
I’m back from taking a rare vacation. Thanks for all of your comments and let me try to explain this again as clearly as I can. Scott and Michael chose to end their contract with TPN. They did send through a last show but there wasn’t any content in there about digital photography so I chose not to run it and posted my short message instead. I didn’t “take the site down” deliberately. I asked my IT guys to change some of the permissions settings on the site before going on leave and they misunderstood my instructions. As soon as I noticed it was down, I asked them to correct it.
So, I don’t feel like I’ve been dishonest or petty but you’re free to make your own decisions about that and do whatever you think you need to.
TPN is a small business folks. I’m the only full time employee and I’ve financed the operation for the last four years to try to provide you with interesting content. When people sign up to host a show on TPN, they don’t pay a fee. They agree to certain terms in return for using our infrastructure and brand. When they end the relationship it’s always going to be hard. I’ll try to learn lessons from this situation and do a better job in the future.